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Poster: murasamune Date: Jan 4, 2007 12:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

so then soundboard recordings are the best? or do mic recordings have the potential to be better

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Poster: xtifr Date: Jan 5, 2007 3:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

It also depends in part on the band's soundpersons To get a good soundboard recording, the engineer in charge has to be mixing the feed properly for recording! Otherwise, what you get is something that only has a vague resemblance to what the music actually sounds like. Some instruments will be mixed too loud, because their sound doesn't carry well, and needs to be boosted before it hits the speaker. Others will be much too quiet, since they carry very well. Coming raw from the soundboard, it sounds like shit (and I've got tapes to prove it). On top of that, unless they have room mics set up, you don't hear any audience at all. You might think that's a good thing, until you actually hear it, with the band responding to things that cannot be heard at all. And long, nearly-silent pauses between songs, where the audience is cheering, but you hear nothing but a faint rustling. A raw SBD from most bands is not something you want. And this is why many bands don't allow soundboard recordings. Not because they hate their fans, or only want to allow second-rate recording out there in order to boost the sales of their official recordings, but because their soundboards are not worth recording from, and they know it!

There are numerous bands here on the Archive that do proper mixing at the board to create a good feed, and those are usually first rate, but even so, it's down to the engineer trying to replicate what the sound should sound like (and will vary in quality depending on how good he is at that particular skill, how tired (or drunk) he was that day, etc., etc.), whereas the best audience recordings actually record what the sound does sound like, and cannot be surpassed! Unfortunately, most audience recordings are not the best. *sigh* There's no easy answers, except, as gmcgill says, to listen to a recording and judge its quality for yourself.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Jan 8, 2007 7:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

There are numerous bands here on the Archive that do proper mixing at the board to create a good feed, and those are usually first rate

For those interested, a good example of this is the March 2001 Warfield recordings of the String Cheese Incident.

Here's the lineage for 3/10/2001:

DSBD Matrix: [SBD > Apogee Rosetta 24-bit A/D] + [Schoeps CMXY-4V > Lunatec V2] > Yamaha O1V (via 16-bit AES @ 44.1) > Tascam DA-P1

This includes a mix of Soundboard (SBD) plus microphones (Schoeps CMXY-4V) specificially mixed ideally for recording on a separate console (Yamaha 01V). It sounds very, very nice. :-)

-Brad

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Poster: rainydaybloke Date: Jan 6, 2007 5:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

xtifr, you are so right. Sometimes a sbd recording will be too raw and unsatisfying even though the clarity of sound is first rate.

I jumped at a show a few days ago because it was from the board but the vocals are way up front and the instruments too low in the mix. The audience can be heard a little but overall this one makes me want to hear an audience recording of Corb Lund.

If you want to hear it:
http://www.archive.org/details/corblund2006-11-22.sbd.flac

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Poster: billydog Date: Jan 7, 2007 4:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

I've been downloading shows off the LMA for a couple of years now, and of course I look for soundboard recordings. Like these guys say, they are not always the best, and some bands don't allow them. So what I have done is if I find a great sounding show, I write down who the taper was. There are some awesome ones out there, and I know that when I see a show taped by one of them, it's going to be pretty good. Sometimes even they can't get the best recording due to the venue, etc., but beggars can't be choosers!! Good luck, and enjoy!

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Jan 4, 2007 5:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

It really depends. I have 100s of soundboard shows and microphone shows. Some soundboards are actually terrible and some mic shows are practically professionally recorded. On average, a SBD show has a greater probability of being a quality, clean recording. But don't discount a mic show. There are folks that take these recordings very seriously and do an incredible job. This is particularly true of more recent recordings (last 10 years or so). In the source field you can see info on the equipment used. As you start looking at these, you'll start noticing some hints about the quality of the audience recording.

But bottom line is LISTEN to a few songs of any show you're interested in. If it sounds good to you, it sounds good.

Edit: some of my favorite shows are MATRIX shows where the taper has combined a soundboard with audience mics. This provides a clean show with the ambiance of the room/crowd.

This post was modified by gmcgill on 2007-01-04 13:05:25

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Jan 4, 2007 5:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: how do i tell how a show was recorded

although if a matrix is mixed at anything more than 70/30
sbd/mics

its nearly the same as just a regular sbd...
but one should always keep in mind the sbd's are not usually mixed for crown consumption...
me personally I will take a top notch aud recording over a sbd anyday of the week... a good aud will make you feel like you are at the show again, a sbd makes me feel like im listening to their studio album with some outtakes

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